Irish soccer
 

Red, white ... and green

Colin Randall, France-based journalist and Sunderland season ticket holder, gives his perspective on the Irish revolution at the Stadium of Light.
 
     By Colin Randall
     09 May 2007, 3:42:01 PM
 
On the taxi journey from the middle of Belfast to Aldergrove, I had things on my mind and didn’t really want to talk. The cabbie tried in vain to interest me in chat about the weather, the traffic and why I had been in Ulster.

His last shot was football. Rangers and Linfield. No surprise there, since I’d guessed he was Protestant.

Then he asked who I supported. Sunderland, I replied. "Me, too." Even that was hardly eyebrow-raising stuff in a part of the world where everyone seems to have three or more teams. It was his reason that knocked me sideways. Charlie Hurley.

Some people from either side of the nationalist/loyalist divide were still, at the time, in the habit of killing one another. A friend from a mixed orange/green marriage had shocked me with a tale of three generations of the same Linfield-supporting family, from granddad to small boy, yelling sectarian abuse at Glentoran players.

And here was a Protestant taxi driver, whose natural habitat was Windsor Park or Ibrox, telling me he shared a little of my love for Sunderland because an Irish Roman Catholic from Cork had played so memorably for them.

If it didn’t feel quite as big a cultural shock as if Ian Paisley had suddenly announced that he had pen friends at the Vatican, it wasn’t so far short.

An encounter such as that, several years ago now, prepared me well for recent news of Niall Quinn and Drumaville actively courting Irish support for my heroes. But the truth is that in decades of travelling regularly to Ireland, north and south, and frequently meeting Irish people in other parts of the world, I have come across a good few with a soft spot for my team.

In ascending order of importance, the Boylesports, Drumaville, Quinn and Roy Keane factors are inevitably increasing those numbers. As we have seen on this site, many of our new friends are likely to stick around only until Keano makes the return to Old Trafford everyone ultimately expects.

That’s fine by me, as I said at my own blog, Salut! Sunderland. Man Utd is not so much a football club as a brand, and it’s a huge one that attracts a gigantic army of supporters around the world. Many of these are not supporters in the sense that I understand, have no connection with Manchester and may not even have been there.

Sir Tim Rice, who picked Sunderland at random when a small schoolboy and has followed us ever since, put it rather well.

In a celebrity supporter interview for 5573*, as the newsletter of the London branch of the SAFC Supporters’ Association was then called, he said he would have been "quite genuinely bored out of my skull" supporting Man Utd or even Liverpool, clubs that regard winning as just another day at the office.

"I remember being very upset about Sunderland’s relegation in 1958, and even worse when we went down to the third for a season," Rice told me. "But it’s probably good for the soul. I just cannot understand how people can care that much about Man Utd unless they were brought up in Manchester."

Of course, if Keane leads Sunderland back to the sort of glory days the club has not known since the turn of the 19th century, Rice’s argument threatens to blow up in his face. Especially since he himself was at prep school in the Home Counties when he made his boyhood choice.

But I understand what he means. Our record in recent times, despite some heady promotion seasons and two seventh top Premiership finishes under Peter Reid, does not establish us as the kind of team that draws glory seekers. It’s real, grassroots football, or at least a lot closer to it than Man Utd or Chelsea, and, I suspect, will remain so even if things pick up as well as we all hope.

Supposing that is more or less what happens. Then Keane goes, and his successor struggles to keep us successful. Loads of our new Irish fans will go too, either because they are really Keane supporters, not ours, or because failure is uncool.

That will still leave the people, in Ireland and elsewhere, who liked us when we were rubbish. People, incidentally, like Christy Moore, who once told me he’d felt kindly towards SAFC since his days touring the folk clubs of northern England.

Christy was honest enough to admit that he’d be hard put to root for Sunderland if they were playing at Elland Road. Leeds are his first (English) love. How does that have him feeling right now?

Which brings me to a conclusion linked to the asterisk some paragraphs earlier. You cannot pretend to be even a bandwagon Sunderland fan unless you already know, or are prepared to learn, why one of our fanzines would be called 5573.

Colin Randall is a freelance journalist based in the south of France. He grew up in County Durham, has followed Sunderland since boyhood and has clung on to his Stadium of Light season ticket since moving to France in 2004. He runs the website Salut! Sunderland.

Comments: (NB: This Blog is now closed for comments)
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Colin,

I’m sure the 5573 thing would be quite easy to find out on the internet, but I’ll just have a guess without going to Google.

Would it be May 5th, 1973 by any chance? Did Sunderland win an FA Cup final that day? Or am I miles off the mark?
 
rabbit32 - 5:16:47 PM, 5/9/2007  
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I shouldn’t have set such an easy question. But it does annoy Leeds fans to be reminded. Sorry Christy.
 
Colin Randall - 5:25:15 PM, 5/9/2007  
3
So where exactly do you stand Colin?

It’s difficult to decipher your exact sentiments from your article. Maybe you don’t have strong views either way.

Do you welcome the Irish influence with open arms? Does any part of you resent that your club is being commandeered and appropriated by outside influences?

For certain, the club seems better off for the money-men’s input, but there are plenty of Chelsea supporters who fell out of love with their club in the wake of Abramovich’s arrival. Could Sunderland by "Chelski" on a smaller scale? Will it rip the heart out of the club?

I’d be interested to hear the views of real Sunderland fans, not the bandwagon merchants of the past few months.
 
pablo honey - 5:37:53 PM, 5/9/2007  
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Colin,

You have a point - How will Sunderland supporters deal with a (expected/hoped) sustained Boom?

After years of ups and downs, it’ll be interesting to see if we can cope without the low of relegation and the opportunity to justifiably have a moan.

God i hope we don’t evolve into clones of other supporters who begin to moan even though everything is going our way.
 
Max Wartbug - 7:29:53 PM, 5/9/2007  
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Pablo Honey

The old "real supporters" v "Johnny come lately" argument!

Do you not agree that the blind faith of your "real supporters" maintained the status quo of the old regime and that the new regime are in place principally because of the prior abscence of the returning "bandwagon merchants".

If we had ave. crowds of 45,000 over the last 5 or more years - even though the football was dross - I doubt whether Drumaville/NQ or RK would be anywhere near Sunderland.

Personally, I would use the word Hardcore in place of real.


 
Max Wartbug - 7:43:54 PM, 5/9/2007  
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Your website has become what is commonly known as a "killjoy".So what if thousands of Irish people have caught the "Sunderland" bug and latched on to them because of their Irish connections. As someone who has attended a few matches at the fabulous Stadium of Light,one thing that has really struck me was the warmness and welcome of the Sunderland supporters towards us Irish, something I never felt at any other ground in England. I feel that this bond could remain post "Keano" which I hope and believe is many years away.
 
Naes Yllek - 8:01:45 PM, 5/9/2007  
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Well done rabbit32. It was a fantastic achievement at the time, beating the favourites for the Cup three times along the way: Manchester City, Arsenal and then Leeds. The City game at home remains my all time favourite game, ever (better than the final, even). 52,000 people rocking Roker Park to its foundations. But, it’s now 34 bliddy years since we won owt. I celebrated the anniversary again this past weekend by watching the DVD once more. Still makes the hairs stand up when we score and Monty saves. The difference this year is that there is whole lot more hope in my heart for the future. Quinn and Keane (spoonerised as King and Queen, btw) are doing everything, absolutely everything, right. The future is bright, the future is red and white.

Mark.

P.S. I took my son back for his first home game against Burnley (we live in Texas now). During the day on Friday we went to the club shop and into the Bridges shopping centre. There were Irish folk everywhere. I welcome them all with open arms. The Sunderland experience is not exclusive. All are welcome, though I warn you it can be a bumpy ride and once bitten you will not be able to shake the bug. Ha’way the Lads.
 
- 6:52:36 AM, 5/10/2007  
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Max (post 5),

I think you misunderstood me. By real, you can read hardcore. But when I refer to the bandwagon merchants, I’m not talking about those supporters who have been persuaded to return to the club.

I’m talking about the thousands of new supporters in Ireland, who have no affinity with the area or the club, and have only been lured on board by the sense of a day out. Irish people are famous for it - witness the Munster rugby supporters, who pack out Thomond Park for the big games but can’t be bothered heading to Musgrave on a wet Friday night for an ordinary league game.

So it’s the views of the hardcore/real supporters I’m looking for, not those who have jumped on the bandwagon over the past few months and will jump straight back off if it all ends in tears in a year or two’s time.
 
pablo honey - 8:41:51 AM, 5/10/2007  
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....well since you ask, Pablo H, I’m with Mark from Texas on this one. Don’t mind at all; I’ve always been made welcome in Ireland (well nearly always, but then I am a reporter) and the Irish are completely welcome at the SoL as far as I am concerned. But as I have said here and elsewhere, I personally don’t get that "second club" thing, let alone a third one. I have soft spots for certain teams/clubs (Liverpool, Celtic and, in France, Le Mans and Nice)- all for different reasons. I look for the results of Shildon in the Northern League, because I grew up there and my dad was secretary for several years, and I am grateful to be kept in touch with Newcastle Utd defeats, but that’s about it.
 
Colin Randall - 10:34:15 AM, 5/10/2007  
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A lot of lads hopping on the bandwagon probably don’t even know much about the rivalry with the barcodes.

There are people in Ireland who have been supporting Sunderland for a few years, through all the relegations and stuff like that. I don’t think they’ll be entirely happy the "bandwagon merchants". Their ruining the uniqueness of being a Sunderland fan.

"one thing that has really struck me was the warmness and welcome of the Sunderland supporters towards us Irish" - You’d have found that pre-Keano as well.

Black Cats: We are Premier League!

 
Patrick - 12:18:57 PM, 5/10/2007  
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Why do we have to try and find and excuse to support an English club. I agree with Colin Randall that you should support a club that you have a connection with. The fact that a club has been taken over by Irish business men and that you are Irish does not constitute a reason to support a club in my opinion. All these bandwagon fans are simply trying to gain some reflected glory in the success of Sunederland.

It has to be realised that SUNDERLAND IS AN ENGLISH CLUB and that all this fervour is pumping more Irish money into English coffers. Its one thing suppporting English teams but its another thing when wealthy Irish business men that chose to invest in English clubs rather than an Irish League that is in dire need of investment.

And before you all start saying it, the reason why the LOI is poor quality is becuase we all bypass it and support English teams instead. This just serves to reinforce it.

Where is the pride?

 
tkwhittaker - 3:02:15 PM, 5/10/2007  
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tkwhittaker,

There was an article in the Sunday Times on Sunday. Supposedly Niall Quinn and a few members of the Drumaville wanted to buy Shamrock Rovers but didn’t succeed. He saw the club having good potential with the move to Tallaght. Shamrock Rovers went with some other ownership which didn’t work out.
 
Patrick - 3:06:52 PM, 5/10/2007  
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I think thwhittaker misses the main point.Those people putting money into Sunderland are first and foremost GAA people.They and Niall Quinn were never interested in local Irish soccer,Quinn the former Dublin hurler and Kildare junior club footballer.Tens of thousands take the plane and boat to England each week.What do the vast majority have in common --bloody GAA.Unfortunately these also make up the bulk of the crowd when the Irish international team are playing-football and rugby.They are the boys on the Hill when the Dubs are playing or sitting in the stands when their county are in championship action.But ask them about Longford Town or Sligo Rovers------
 
Frank - 3:28:36 PM, 5/10/2007  
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Nice point tkwhittaker, pretty much a ’buy Irish, support Irish’ case you’ve made.
 
Iano-B - 3:37:01 PM, 5/10/2007  
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I think Niall Quinn and the members of Drumaville made a lucky escape in not buying Shamrock Rovers, that would be like throwing money down the toilet. Anyone with half a brain wont invest in the eircom league because they know how poor it is and I dont think there is much of a market for poor football.
 
Petey - 4:43:14 PM, 5/10/2007  
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Petey,
They were actually quite confident Shamrock Rovers in Tallaght would have been worth investing in. Rovers loss.
 
Patrick - 11:11:25 AM, 5/11/2007  
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Petey, I was listening to the Grand Master of the Orange Lodge being interviewed on RTE this morning (Friday) and he said he delighted in coming down south to see all the the people who support Manure, The Pool , Chelsea, Arsenal, he said ( looks like there is more to unite us than divide us) so i think David Mc Williams is right about SKY TV and the Sun newspaper! By all means have a favourite Team in England but, please please support your own first.
 
Maria Phillips - 1:56:52 PM, 5/11/2007  
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i do, i support ireland. i dont support any english clubs. but i enjoy watching club football in england cos they can actually play. watching the eircom league on t.v, i find myself wanting to watch paint dry or cut my toenails cos that would be more entertaining.
 
Petey - 2:30:50 AM, 5/13/2007  
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Patrick, yes i have read that article since and it sounds like Rovers missed out big time there. Garett Kelleer has shownt he way at St Pats. Irish investors should support Irish teams.

Frank, I think were in agreement but at least the GAA heads have an excuse - they dont claim to be real football fans.

Petey, no offence but you and your like are the reason Irish football is ’poor’. I hear it all the time - ’but its crap football’. I can tell you its far more enjoyable to support your local team than an English team full of show ponies and divers. With that attitude, how is the eircom league ever going to improve?? The eircom league hads huge long term potential for investors. Garett Kelleher is no fool and he has taken a punt on Pats. Proper investment is excatly what the eircom league needs and the likes of you are certainly not helping!!
 
tkwhittaker - 2:13:21 PM, 5/14/2007  
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I wish people would stop going on about these new Irish supporters
I have met many Irish people and can confirm that they are very passonate suppoters of which ever sport they follow.Also I have met a few last season at Matches and they are drawn to safc yes due to Irish Chairman,manager and Board members but they also mentioned that they are loving the passion of safc.
Iam a die hard fan and not missed many matches over the years even though I have seen so many disappointments but once safc is in the blood I can’t do without regardless of what results are like.
The passionate fan that comes to SAFC will always be welcome where ever they come from.My parents live in Cyprus and have just returned and all the talk is of Sunderland.
New followers of Sunderland are coming from all over the world now and not just Ireland its great
Well done the Irish there will be a warm welcome always from Safc.

Red and white through and through


 
Ian Bassett North Shields - 10:53:02 PM, 6/4/2007  
 
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